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New Rule.... New Rule....

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:11 pm
by sampleandhold
Never Ever Sample A Break In Stereo Then Convert To Mono In The Emu.

Or least, don't to this with the think break. I did. It lost it's high end. Insane. It sounded like kuh huh rap. So I tried doing it this way. I think this is the way I am going to do it for now on.

I took the left channel and pluged only that into my emu. Then sampled. Then convert to mono to get the sample centred. It sounds better. No wonder my breaks always sounded muddy. I think I got a case of phase concellation for something when I did this with the think break. Well, either way, I am not going to convert stereo to mono anymore.

So many evil things they have on that emu that screws your sounds up.

Still love that bird though.

snh

PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:25 am
by Dillusion_Man
oh yes i always would transfer mono elements by scsi/floppy.

I found this too with the Apache. An easy way round it to keep your resampled crunch and retain high end is low pass a copy of the original on a new channel or maybe stereo panned wide for some life.

:thumbs:

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:49 am
by hot30khz
yeah its because when you sample stero you get two sides to the sound (L&R) and then you convert that sample to "mono" emu dont mix the sides it just takes off one side(usally right) of the stero image. So if the right side had all the nice tops in it and the left was more basey then when you convert to "mono" the emu only keeps one side. hence one side might sound shitter than the other.. just convert the sample to "mono" and if it sounds crap "undo" and use the "swap L+R" function then convert to "mono" again and you will have the better side of the stero image. peace

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:19 pm
by sampleandhold
It mixes the sides, trust me. Here is how I know.

I sampled the amen again. I got the vinyl. I bought three copies of it and now I have two copies that just so happen to have one copy with a clean left channel and a poppy hissy right, and another copy that has a clean right channel and a poppy hissy left. So when I sampled the breaks, I took the record with the clean left and just pulled the plug on the right channel. So I only sampled on the left channel. It was in stereo of course, but just with signal on the left. I converted to mono (it said left after conversion) and away we go. Then I decided to sample the good right channel and so I plugged the right back in and pulled the left. Sampled. The sampler only recieved signal on the right channel. I convert to mono (it said left after the conversion) and away we go.

When I convert to mono it mixes the two sides into one. If it dropped one of the channels then the one where I sampled the right channel should have had no signal what so ever after mono conversion because it would have dropped the right signal since my emu is set up to convert to left. The samples all say left that I have converted mono on. Even the ones that only had signal on the right side. And of course the samples all sound like they are stereo because they are now going through both speakers instead of just one.

Also, when I converted the think break from stereo (when I actually sampled both sides) the break sounded muffled. This to me indicates phase cancellation issues. One side just a hair off the other and when the wave forms are piled up ontop of each other through the same pathway, they actually reduced abit because one wave was going down when the other was going up. It also sounded a bit flangy too.

snh