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SCSI sample transfer from laptop

PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:38 am
by ozone
Hi.
I know this is an age-old topic but I was wondering if I could get some advice..
What I want to do is work "off-line" with a G4 iBook laptop running Reason and Ableton Live. I plan to treat samples within Reason and then resample them as WAVs into Live. Then I will load these "treated" loops back into the Reason NNXT sampler and create midi arrangements in the Reason sequencer.

THEN I want to be able to transfer these WAVs back into the E4 (via SCSI) and save the Reason sequences as midiflies, loading them back into ProTools on a G4 powermac at home (using a Firewire drive).

The question (finally!) is:
How do I get the samples from the iBook harddrive back into the E4??

Cheers.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:27 pm
by elemental
Well, i know on my Sony PC laptop the only way I found is to get an adaptec cardbus SCSI adapter, which works fine. I tried a firewire to SCSI device and it recognised the emu's HD (strangely) but not the emu, which made it pretty useless. There might have been a workaround but I went for the trusty adaptec.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:25 pm
by ozone
Thanks Elemental.
I now have an adaptec USBxchange which will connect USB to SCSI. In theory. In fact it only works in OS9 (not Classic!). So far I've tried it connecting to a Zip containing E4 banks which it refused to read, offering me the option of reinitialising the disk or ejecting it.
Cool.

Once I have a SCSI 2 to 50pin Centronics I'll have a look at the E4 itself.

How does your system work? Does the E4 show up as a drive or can you transfer directly into RAM? Can you transfer WAVs into it?

I was thinking I needed the Chickensys translator but it's not written for back to EOS in Mac format and I don't want to buy a PC just for this.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:00 pm
by elemental
From my limited experience, I dont think the USB-SCSI converter will work.

The adaptec cardbus is the way forward, works very well. Dont know if your laptop cardbus though, dont think Mac laptops have them? Might be wrong though.

It shows up on my system as it should, saying it has found an unknown device 8 times and then I'm able to transfer samples using Sound Forge or Recycle.

Hope that helps ?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:36 am
by drayon
If you are running Mac OS X the ONLY Cardbus SCSI device working currently is the Ratoc CB31Pismo UltraSCSI PC Card.

http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/pro ... pismo.html

I have this card personally and it works well under 9.2.2 and 10.2x I have not tested with 10.3.3 yet however i will do so few shortly.

On my travels to locate the above link i noticed Ratoc have a USB 2 -> Ultra SCSI adapter. This appears to be the GO. Considering the 2 different modes 'Mass Storage' 1 single SCSI device or 'SCSI Emulation Mode' where the unit operates just like a real SCSI card enabling the chaining of up to 7 devices. AFAIK, this is the ONLY USB/SCSI adapter out there that supports more than 1 SCSI device in a chain. Personally this is highly beneficial, since i have 3 E4's, a Kurzweil K2500, an external CD ROM drive plus an external SCSI case with a 80 gig drive in it (actually an IDE -> SCSI bridge adapter basically its an external SCSI that allows me to install an IDE drive-wikid cool, cos i can get a 80 gig IDE drive for well cheep works real nice too).

I have yet to hear any reports on this thing. If in practice it works flawlessly then we have a new device that will solve a shit load of problems G5 owners and Powerbook owners currently suffer from.

USB2.0 to Ultra SCSI Converter U2SCX linxor :

http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/pro ... u2scx.html

big up ya chest :biglaugh:

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:47 am
by ozone
Update for anybody interested.

Yeah, sure enough the Adaptec was no good. So I went to 4.7 on my work E4 (didn't want to screw a trustworthy live unit).

Now with a FAT 32 Zip disk (PC formatted only - not Mac "PC Format") on a USB Zip drive I can take WAVS made with Ableton Live out of the laptop and then pop them into the SCSI zip drive and load them (one by one as banks!) into the E4.

All well and good - but..

Just tried to transfer a midifile the same way (created in ProTools and exported to USB Zip) and then imported into E4 via SCSI Zip. Apart from the HUGE transfer time (?) the Midifile then won't alter from it's (wrong) bpm of 20 bpm.

What's that all about?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:12 am
by E4-platinum
Hi Folks
I ordered my Ratoc CB31Pismo UltraSCSI PC CardToday, and I will let you know it it works with my mac pb osx panther

cheers

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:05 pm
by drayon
E4-platinum wrote:Hi Folks
I ordered my Ratoc CB31Pismo UltraSCSI PC CardToday, and I will let you know it it works with my mac pb osx panther

cheers


Make sure in the CB_31 X config tool, u set up the SCSI ID's to 'Asynchronous' mode 10/meg/sec !!! :thumbs:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:35 pm
by E4-platinum
-Drayon
I cant get my scsi card to work :cry:
Any tip ?
I have set the config tool to 10/meg/sec but I can?t set it to asynchronous.
I have to chose one of them.
/
Jonas

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:08 pm
by E4-platinum
I think i have find the problem.They have send wrong card to me this is for pc (cb31u)
/
Jonas

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:48 pm
by drayon
E4-platinum wrote:I think i have find the problem.They have send wrong card to me this is for pc (cb31u)
/
Jonas


Yea that't the PC/Linux one the Mac one is the 'CB31Pismo'

cb-32

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:54 am
by E4-platinum
This time they sent me wrong card again (cb32 pb) :cry:
But i will test it in this weekend.
I will let you know if it works
Cheers

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:54 pm
by E4-platinum
Hi Again
Now it seems to work ok,but I didn?t get it to work under 10.3.5
:slayer:

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:22 pm
by 5c4r7
I'm considering getting rid of my G4 400 and getting a 1.2 ghz iBook. Does anyone know if any of the Firewire to SCSI adapters will work with Peak and the EMU's properly?

here are a few examples:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control ... sku=307828

http://www.creativepro.com/hardware/home/1493.html

Thanks,

-s*

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:36 pm
by dugawug
did anyone get USB->SCSI working on XP? if so, can they tell what specific card they bought?