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Pitch Bend CC Data in a Sequencer

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:07 pm
by Geo
Hello,

I received my E6400 Ultra this weekend and have been playing around with it and finding my way around the OS (I have used an Akai in the past).

Basically, I am trying to find out how I can get the Emu to react to pitch bend data written in my sequencer (Cubase SX).

I know how to affect the pitch of hits through various Modulation Sources in the Cords area (and have a scenario set-up where pitch is affected by the velocity), but I cannot work out how to get the Emu to react to pitch bend CCs I've written in Cubase.

I've looked in the Master MIDI page and you can only assign MIDI CC numbers and pitch/mod wheel controllers to each function and not pitch bend.

The problem with pitch bend is it doesn't have its own dedicated CC number (like Volume or Pan, for example) so I cannot assign a number in the Master MIDI page.

Anybody out there have any ideas?

Basically, what I'm trying to do is program small pitch bend deviations on drum hits - so the harder a snare is hit, the higher in pitch it will be (though it is a very subtle effect).

I have actually achieved this through the Cords page mentioned above, but I would still like to know how I can perform this function.

What is strange is the Pitch Wheel does work so if I recorded some random pitch wheel movements in Cubase then played them back the Emu would recognise them, but it isn't recognising these one's I've previously written.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Geo

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:36 pm
by sampleandhold
well, one thing, do you have the cord set up like this:

pitchwheel>pitch(or fine pitch, this would be better for what you want)>100% remember you have to have percentage for the cord to work. that might be a problem. but some how i don't think this is it.

if you have this correct and you are still not getting the any response. then try this. i believe that the pitch wheel controller is pretty much set. i know in cakewalk it isn't apart of the midi cc's, it has it's own little section. probably because the +/- side of how a pitch wheel controller works. midi cc's i guess tend to be only 0 to 127.

now if the pitch wheel isn't working this might work for you until you get it sorted. go into the emu screen and set the cord as follows.

midiA>pitch>100% now, by default midiA is cc 21. so set that up in your sequencer and draw in a sweeping controller line. if you don't get a bend or a bend the wrong way set the 100% to negative. once you have that established and it works, delete your line and set your cord to fpitch, this is what you will want to use for sudle pitch bends. but you may not want the controller set at 100 percent since, if i remember right, that will create a bend of about a half step. set it to about 25 or so. i think 12 is a good number.

this is all i have. I just don't understand why your pitch wheel cc isn't working. it should, unless you don't have something right in your cubase. i know in cakewalk if i don't go through my xp i don't get all the controllers, it just has alot of stuff grayed out. so make sure you have an instrument set on your midi channel in your sequencer.

i hope this helps you out. let us know if it works... huh, i always thought that pitch wheel did have it's own dedicated number... i don't know my midi all that well though.

Re: Pitch Bend CC Data in a Sequencer

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:44 pm
by illinformed
Geo wrote:What is strange is the Pitch Wheel does work so if I recorded some random pitch wheel movements in Cubase then played them back the Emu would recognise them, but it isn't recognising these one's I've previously written


That is strange. How do these previously written ones show up in the Cubase event list? Is there a midi filter activated in the Cubase sequence?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:54 pm
by Geo
sampleandhold,

You're a scholar and a gentleman!!

Your first suggestion of setting the Source and Destination in the Cords section to pitchwheel>pitch has solved the problem!!

Thanks for that. :thumbs:

With reference to Pitch Bend, I quote from a book, The MIDI Files by Rob Young (which is a great book):

"Pitch-bend is a high resolution continuous controller shown as a separate entity in list editors...

On keyboard instruments, pitch-bend is controlled with either a dedicated wheel, or a lever (which usually controls CC1 modulation as well)..."

Effectively it doesn't have a dedicated CC number, but shares it with CC 1. :grin: