emusonacid!

i try to do this in beat munger but it sounds like shit, it always imposes ghost hits and stuff where i need full hits in an attempt to not change the pitch of the break hits, but i don't care if it pitches up i just want full hits at a bpm i select so all the breaks i use in a track match and go together.

i usually cut all my breaks up into individual hits but when i don't match the bpm to the bpm of the break to the bpm of the track there's like gaps of silence inbetween hits and it just doesn't fit well whereas when i match the bpm of the break to the bpm of the track it sounds fluid, like a break should, only the break is doing exactly what i tell it to instead of what it originally sounded like. sounds more like a natural swing vs. cut up computery digitalness (which has it's place too but i already know how to do that)

so what are your tricks to getting breaks the right speed?

easiet way:

Recycle -> split dump to sampler and print midi file

load midifile and of u go.


Harder:

timestrech break and velocity cut into samples. Lay down 16ths and draw a diagonal velocity line( make sure start and end of break have good tight cuts and loop well)


The beatmungers a bit hit or miss really but can be fun :)

Silverman2 wrote:easiet way:

Recycle -> split dump to sampler and print midi file

load midifile and of u go.

well for one i don't have recycle, i've used it and i hated it (prefer peak) so i wasn't planning on buying it, secondly i'm using a powerbook which of course does not have scsi so i can't transfer stuff back and forth between the computer and the sampler, and i always found the e4xt to be better at editing samples than recycle anyway, and lastly maybe i'm an idiot but what your describing doesn't sound to me like speeding up the sample, it just sounds like transferring a sample from the computer to the sampler? again i'm probably missing something.

i just want to be able to say "180bpm" and have a sample convert to 180bpm, without ghost hits, i.e. WITH pitching up the sample till it is that bpm so you have full hits with no ghost hits and it is at the speed you need it, then do the same with a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc break so all your breaks are a usable bpm for a track. not looking to loop them either, i'd be cutting them into individual hits and programming them.

Silverman2 wrote:Harder:

timestrech break and velocity cut into samples. Lay down 16ths and draw a diagonal velocity line( make sure start and end of break have good tight cuts and loop well)

The beatmungers a bit hit or miss really but can be fun :)

i don't get how to "velocity cut into samples", isn't velocity how hard the keys are pressed? so is this to get rid of the ghost hits? hence the diagonal line to keep all the hits loud and clear? how would i velocity cut into samples?


thanks

The actual time stretching would have been done in Recycle.
And the above methods were more than just timing a loop up but
making them easy to re-program via midi. eg for dnb.

Sounds like you need to use the onboard emu timestretch.

try this.

1. Beat mung to work out break tempo then cancel.

2. Timestretch break to desired tempo in sample edit ( use mid quality)

3.then map to a key and trigger note on every bar via midi. also make sure the note is slightly less than bar lenght, otherwise u might get "end note" cutoff.


If peak works for u like recycle use that! I know what u mean about the cuts in recycle but it is by far the easiest method. Breaks don't have a great timestretch range neway so don't stray to far from the original tempo, unless for special effect.

The Emu is a modular since, so in the chords page you can map velocity to any destination u want ie

vel -> Sample start -100


its also handy to have a keyboard that allows u to fix velocity values so u can play them in.

cheers

sm

If your breaks are slower then your original tempo, then you shouldn't have issues with gaps. the amen break is at 110 or so beats per minute. so you can cut it up and resequence the break at 180 bpm and it will (should) sound find since your sixteenth note cuts are a precentage longer then what the sixteenth notes running at 180 bpm.

timestretching works fine, but it will reduce your low end on your break and may make it sound a bit strange. I would recommend going down to mono and keeping the break at mono. if you convert back to stereo, even after timestretching you are going to have strange buzzy sounds, like a flange, as the sampler creates the second image and off sets it.

If you are cutting up your breaks, and they are 20 to 40 bpm's slower then what you are going for, then timestretching shouldn't be needed.

get yourself a delay calculator (should be able to download one somewhere... i got one free with future music magazine). this should tell you how long a beat or a bar is at the given bpm, then stretch or pitch up/down accordingly.

http://www.analogx.com/contents/downloa ... /delay.htm should be able to use that.