emusonacid!

Just wundrin' how you guys go about backing up. I am still using OS 4.61 (which is not FAT) because of the bad press I heard about 4.7 and am interested in what setup you guys use 'cause I can't burn a CD or reassert the image on the intermediate SCSI drive with XP (funny...it was all fine with 98SE). Besides, burning off 540M images was a bitch anyway. Does 4.7 deserve all the bad press? What about ORB drives? What is the largest capacity 50 pin SCSI drive that I can get to go on the chain. Ups for any ideas.

Just try to get big SCSI HARD Drives at E-bay.

Baracuda 35 GB works fine ?

4.7 has had a few crashes needing a power cycle. Not too bad, but I would be worried if I had to do a live show.
ORB is bankrupt and I kept having the drives fail on me. If you get one I can send you a bunch of disks. I am using a Pinnacle optical drive with a 650/ side cartridge. Making a disk image of it (in OSX) and burning CD's.
Good Luck

i just started thinking how i need to back up my E4's internal HD. i got one with a 20GB drive, so not sure the best way to back it all up...20 1GB Jaz disks!!???

what i don't get is why I have a SCSI connection from E4 to my laptop, I'm running EOS 4.7, have the E4's drive FAT32 formatted, and I still can't access my laptop's drive from the E4's DISK menu.

why not? i can transfer samples to and fro with Wavelab, Recycle, etc. I have ZoeOS and Translator Free, but I can't access my laptop's drive from the E4 DISK menu?

we HAVE to use these stupid external SCSI drives?

also, slightly related, no one can tell me if you can load EOS banks from my laptop's CD-ROM drive, again, instead of a stupid external SCSI CD-ROM. viewtopic.php?t=944

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Mmm. I think I'll stay with 4.61 and go with the big SCSI drive for backup. 4.61 is pretty stable and crashes are pretty rare. If they both go simultaneously (internal and external) I'm fucked though. A removable media option would be good but how much time has a man got to burn. I'm constantly burning summink and it's a real pain in the proverbial. Orbs and Jaz drives are a pain too. I've already got a studio full of backups disks of varying descripts.

Having a SCSI drive on the chain is OK with 4.7??? Better have a look at the manual. I think your sample CDs will have to go through a SCSI CD-ROM as the PC won't recognise the format. Maybe someone else who has a really viable setup under 4.7 can clear this one up. Kontakt is looking good...too good sometimes.

An option might be (if your on 4.7 and your drive is FAT) that while the E4 isn't going to see the computers drive the computer should see the E4's drive so one should be able to use backup software to back up the E4.

And the E4 cant see your drive because it isn't in the SCSI chain, it's an internal (prob IDE) drive. And of course it's not EMU formated, and unless your on Win 98 it's not a FAT32 disk. The E4 can see your SCSI card but that of course is not a drive. On old Mac's where the drives were all SCSI you could use the built in CDROM drive. In a SCSI based system all drives are on the same buss.

noizieman wrote:the computer should see the E4's drive so one should be able to use backup software to back up the E4..

hmmm, actually, my computer doesn't see the E4!! WTF???? again, I use an Adaptec 1480A SlimSCSI card, connect fine, transfer samples via Wavelab/Recycle no problem, but my E4 definitely does not show in the Windows Explorer. Wassup with that?

Where is that Manual addendum or whatever for V 4.7? Can't find it. Trying to find out why I can't see my E4! And yes, I'm on 4.7 with a FAT32 formatted internal drive.

Listen dude. Your sampler will never show up iin Windows Explorer only in the System=>Device Manager blah blah and you'll never see the E4's drive from your PC either. The sampler is going to see the PC's drive though as far as I know wtih 4.7.

The above post is erroneous. You can format your drives as FAT 32 under XP or 2000 instead of NTFS

dugawug wrote:

noizieman wrote:the computer should see the E4's drive so one should be able to use backup software to back up the E4..

hmmm, actually, my computer doesn't see the E4!! WTF???? again, I use an Adaptec 1480A SlimSCSI card, connect fine, transfer samples via Wavelab/Recycle no problem, but my E4 definitely does not show in the Windows Explorer. Wassup with that?

Where is that Manual addendum or whatever for V 4.7? Can't find it. Trying to find out why I can't see my E4! And yes, I'm on 4.7 with a FAT32 formatted internal drive.

Nads is completely right,

You will NEVER see the internal Emu disc, but what about using an external HD between the sampler and the computer? Use the external HD (leave the pc switched off) perform the backup from sampler to the ext. HD. When that is done, switch off the sampler, powerup the pc and copy everything to dvd or cd. The main thing for this is that you need to upgrade to EOS 4.7, but I haven't had more problems with 4.7 than I had with 4.61.

Cheers
Ronald

okay, okay...so accessing E4's drive from computer is impossible...got it

i'm considering a SCSI chain like this:

E4 ---> Ext. SCSI CD-ROM ---> Ext. SCSI Drive ---> Computer

with this type of setup, is all the following possible?:

1. load CD-ROM's from the E4
2. backup the E4's drive to the SCSI Drive
3. transfer samples from laptop to E4 via Wavelab, Recycle, etc.
4. backup the SCSI Drive onto the computer

if so, i guess this would be the best solution.

nads wrote:The above post is erroneous. You can format your drives as FAT 32 under XP or 2000 instead of NTFS

not over 32 gigs

Hmmm,

My PC experience ended with Win98 (except for futilely trying to get a FW drive formated in FAT32 so everyone could see it). My Mac will see all the drives in the SCSI chain, and so sees the E4. The E4 cant see my Mac's drive since it's not a SCSI drive and not in the chain. But this is a Windows user so maybe things don't work that way on the other side of the water.?
SK

roonsmits wrote:

dugawug wrote:

noizieman wrote:the computer should see the E4's drive so one should be able to use backup software to back up the E4..

hmmm, actually, my computer doesn't see the E4!! WTF???? again, I use an Adaptec 1480A SlimSCSI card, connect fine, transfer samples via Wavelab/Recycle no problem, but my E4 definitely does not show in the Windows Explorer. Wassup with that?

Where is that Manual addendum or whatever for V 4.7? Can't find it. Trying to find out why I can't see my E4! And yes, I'm on 4.7 with a FAT32 formatted internal drive.

Nads is completely right,

You will NEVER see the internal Emu disc, but what about using an external HD between the sampler and the computer? Use the external HD (leave the pc switched off) perfrom the backup from sampler to the ext. HD. When that is done, switch off the sampler, powerup the pc and copy everything to dvd or cd. The main thing for this is that you need to upgrade to EOS 4.7, but I haven't had more problems since upgrading from 4.61 to 4.7.

Cheers
Ronald

dugawug wrote:okay, okay...so accessing E4's drive from computer is impossible...got it

NOT TRUE!!!

using translator by chicken sys (http://www.chickensys.com/)
you can view the internal hdd in the emu and backup to your pc via drag n drop!!!

This is of course assuming you have a scsi link

thanks JD...i haven't tried that yet, i have translator Free, but do you need the full version to backup to the PC?

lastly, there is no way the E4 can access the PC's CD-ROM drive through something like translator, is there? (ah, my next question to chickensys)

use zeos for backing up whole presets with your samples from the emu
on your pc. works fine for me ..

ez