emusonacid!

just curious to see how many are planning on buying this. i think i am going to. mostly interested in it's appearant ability to still use the old format... it would be an easy way to get my samples off of my zips and on to my hd.

I'm waiting to hear about Mac support, which they say 'should' follow. It's the 'should' which concerns me

i will buy it as soon as there is a mac version.

that's the one thing that pisses me off now is when audio companies ignore the fact that mac's have been the defacto standard in audio for years and years now and make their shit windows-only. yes more people use windows overall but in the audio world it's a lot more neck and neck and didn't used to be, now every 13 year old kid using his parrents pc has a crack of reason so audio companies are releasing windows-only apps, or at least making windows the priority and releasing half assed ports for mac.

and as far as the converters go don't they have that covered with the pci cards and firewire breakaway box?

I don't need more PCI cards in my PC. I already have two Creamware Pulsar cards and I doubt they will like the Emulator PCI card :-).

I also find it very hard to believe that the converters on this Creative Labs card .. Sorry I mean E-mu card .. is of high quality when you look at the price range for these cards.

I just don't believe that you can get high quality converters for such a low price.
It just doesn't work like this.

/Dane

Audio companies are not ignoring the Mac - they are just wise to the fact that PC hardware and software far outsell Mac apps in both graphics and music. Note I said outsell, not out-perform; I personally prefer the Mac for both graphics and music, and support people who do just this to make my living - but I use the PC for both due to economics. I have a wager with a friend that a Mac version of Emulator X won't come out at all - Creative is interested in the money only - just take a look at the service department of any company Creative has taken over - big drop in customer satisfaction. Cambridge Soundworks is a good example of this.

The other side of having Creative in the mix, though, is that they can afford to put higher quality components on a relatively inexpensive board. Economies of scale, you know. I'll wait for a real world test of these devices, but it could be a surprise. Don't know, though, if they can ever resolve the fact that the inside of the PC is a bad place for audio, so the non-breakout box versions might well suffer.

boscomatix wrote:Audio companies are not ignoring the Mac - they are just wise to the fact that PC hardware and software far outsell Mac apps in both graphics and music. Note I said outsell, not out-perform; I personally prefer the Mac for both graphics and music, and support people who do just this to make my living - but I use the PC for both due to economics. I have a wager with a friend that a Mac version of Emulator X won't come out at all - Creative is interested in the money only - just take a look at the service department of any company Creative has taken over - big drop in customer satisfaction. Cambridge Soundworks is a good example of this.

The other side of having Creative in the mix, though, is that they can afford to put higher quality components on a relatively inexpensive board. Economies of scale, you know. I'll wait for a real world test of these devices, but it could be a surprise. Don't know, though, if they can ever resolve the fact that the inside of the PC is a bad place for audio, so the non-breakout box versions might well suffer.

i don't know where you got this information, and i know that pc hardware vastly outsells mac hardware but for graphics and audio i would say at very least it has to be close to 50/50 if not still leaning towards mac. and still all the high end audio apps and audio hardware definately lean towards mac, with only the lower end "toy"-ish apps like fruity loops and reason and so on being for windows, with the exclusion of cubase and gigasampler, and of course now the emulator x. and whereas i could easily do without cubase (having digital performer and logic) and certainly could do without fruity loops, and reason is also for mac, the emulator is the only one i give a shit about as my e4xt is kind of crapping out on me and i'd been wanting to make completely native tracks for some time now, and have reaktor and digital performer and kontakt (which sucks, which is why i'd kill for a mac version of emulator x).

if they're thinking about money it would be stupid to discount the vast numbers of mac users in the audio field who would kill for a decent softsampler like this. who makes more money? the maker of a windows only app or the maker of an app for both windows and mac? it's simple. they're making it impossible for shitloads of customers to use it and therefore buy it.

look at gigasampler vs. kontakt

The information is from Seybold Seminars, and was communicated at Seybold San Francisco in September 2003. It takes a lot to produce and support an app or hardware, and a company needs to be convinced the return on investment is there. I'm really not thrilled about it, as I am by no means a fan of Gates and company - I find the Jobs world a better place indeed. And it irks me that economic reality might dictate our musical future vs having the best person win.

boscomatix wrote:The information is from Seybold Seminars, and was communicated at Seybold San Francisco in September 2003. It takes a lot to produce and support an app or hardware, and a company needs to be convinced the return on investment is there. I'm really not thrilled about it, as I am by no means a fan of Gates and company - I find the Jobs world a better place indeed. And it irks me that economic reality might dictate our musical future vs having the best person win.

it does take a lot to produce an app or hardware but if you notice in general they develop for one and then simply port it to another platform, not THAT much work, most of the work is in designing an app from the ground up, once you've done that you simply change the things in the code that you need to change to get it to run on a different processor/operating system, and as you may notice with hardware, most hardware is available for both platforms thus that's not even an issue, the only real issue with that is developing the nessesary drivers which again, are software, and where in mainstream computing i can understand not bothering sometimes to produce a mac version, in the audio world a much much larger segment of the userbase are using mac's, thus it is completely worth it to delelop for them and there will be a return investment.

go around to pro studio's that are using DAW's or computers in general at all, i would wager at least %95 of them are using mac's, then go around to home studio's, the vast majority of the more professional ones are using mac's, then as you get into more casual users yes there are more windows machines. but for instance in emu's case they're aiming low by only making their softsampler available for windows by aiming at the low-to-no budget market with a $600 softsampler (which, with it's features, puts it squarely in the mid to high budget user market, many to most of whom are using mac's). i mean look around even on here at the people who are dissappointed at the lack of a mac version, and on that harmony central thread where the #1 complaint about it seems to be that there's no mac version.

i'm not even saying "don't make a windows version" even though the vast majority of windows producers i know don't spend a dime on software (cracks only) i'm just saying for christs sake at least make a mac version to not discount all of us. i mean shit, everyone else does, besides gigasampler and cakewalk who i could really give a fuck about anyway.

(i'm typing this on an xp box btw)

If it were out for mac I'd be whipping my credit card out right away. I'd even take the leap of faith and see how it performs compared to my Ultra EOS box. On a PC I'll wait. The only way I'd buy it then is if I did a thorough test and found it to be 99% an Ultra sampler in sound and use + all the nifty things having it integrated with a PC brings. Then maybe after a while I'd buy it and a PC to run it on. I'm holding out for a mac version though.

i am a pc user, and i don't pirate software. one of the reasons why is because it could (did) bring the collapse of hardware. hardware companies spend so much time to make something worth while and then they are cheated out of sales because of cheap software, or more so because of pirated software. but at least we all have the emus now. technology marches on, i guess.

sampleandhold wrote:i am a pc user, and i don't pirate software. one of the reasons why is because it could (did) bring the collapse of hardware. hardware companies spend so much time to make something worth while and then they are cheated out of sales because of cheap software, or more so because of pirated software. but at least we all have the emus now. technology marches on, i guess.

i wasn't trying to imply that all pc users refused to buy software. however i would probably state it as fact that more pc users are using cracks (because they're so abundant, and in general a lot of people go the pc route over the mac route for economic reasons as well) on pc than on mac. this is also not to say of course than mac users do not use cracks.

nor that i'm demonizing people that use cracks. i understand this shit is expensive as shit, when i started making music i struggled to afford a $200 guitar, now that is NOTHING compared to even single decent software packages, and if being that young and still of course wanting to music my only way to do so would be to download a crack. i think it's good that more people are able to make music.

however i also think these new software packages are amazing and recognize the ammount of development that had to go into them and realize by not buying said software i'm not enabling them to further develop said software, so the way i see it is if you can afford the software you (ethicly speaking) should pay for it

i use a pc, sorry to say but, i use it due to its inexpensive parts , i pyhsically cnnot afford a mac, and all the software to go with it....i manly use craked software to get a grip with it , see if i want to buy it...im sorry but i wouldnt go out and buy a peice of software for 350 quid to get it home and find it to be crap.....
down side of craked software mmmm the crack itself...many a times ive had bad cracks wich have messed up my system...

im very intrested in the emu x, will save me much space in an alredy crammed studio.....and its not completly software is it, if ya know what i mean, no more high cpu usage

overdose wrote:i manly use craked software to get a grip with it , see if i want to buy it...im sorry but i wouldnt go out and buy a peice of software for 350 quid to get it home and find it to be crap.....

i certainly agree with you there.

overdose wrote:im sorry but i wouldnt go out and buy a peice of software for 350 quid to get it home and find it to be crap.....

And if you find it's not crap, do you pay for a licensed version?

Well it'll take something like a hardware tie-in (ie DSP chip or whatever) that makes the product work to make that an easier question for a lot of people.