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It's very basic and I can't seem to get it. All I want to do is program note length from Ableton the way I can do with any other external synth. It seems to have no effect on my sampler. I have a E4X Hollywood Gold Emulator. Sorry if posting in the wrong section. Not sure. Thanks.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "note length"...

Gilles

Yeah, please clarify.

You maybe mean you change note-lenght in Ableton and it does have no effect from sampler-side ????

Sorry about that guys let me clarify.

On most samplers you can specify, that when you trigger that note/sample from the sequencer, it can either play out for the full duration of the sample or for a specified length of time. Whether it be 1/16 note duration, 1/2 note duration, etc. some call it gate time? I'm thinking it's a cord I need to route to a destination? Is this better? Could've sworn I had figured out this problem a while back but I began using the sampler again and now I'm back to square one.

"You maybe mean you change note-lenght in Ableton and it does have no effect from sampler-side ????"

Yes exactly.

iya wrote:Sorry about that guys let me clarify.

On most samplers you can specify, that when you trigger that note/sample from the sequencer, it can either play out for the full duration of the sample or for a specified length of time. Whether it be 1/16 note duration, 1/2 note duration, etc. some call it gate time? I'm thinking it's a cord I need to route to a destination? Is this better? Could've sworn I had figured out this problem a while back but I began using the sampler again and now I'm back to square one.

"You maybe mean you change note-lenght in Ableton and it does have no effect from sampler-side ????"

Yes exactly.

Mmh, the E-mu does not have these functions, but there?s one workaround for simulating other samplers "One Shot" mode, i.e. sample plays thru until it?s end no matter how long the midi note lenght is.
Tip from Rob Papen's 33 Tips for EOS samplers btw.:

PRESET EDIT > Amp/Fil > Amp Envelope >

Seg Rate Level Seg Rate Level

Atk1 0 100 Atk2 0 100
Dcy1 0 100 Dcy2 0 100
Rls1 0 100 Rls2 0 100

Rascal Revenge wrote:

iya wrote:Sorry about that guys let me clarify.

On most samplers you can specify, that when you trigger that note/sample from the sequencer, it can either play out for the full duration of the sample or for a specified length of time. Whether it be 1/16 note duration, 1/2 note duration, etc. some call it gate time? I'm thinking it's a cord I need to route to a destination? Is this better? Could've sworn I had figured out this problem a while back but I began using the sampler again and now I'm back to square one.

"You maybe mean you change note-lenght in Ableton and it does have no effect from sampler-side ????"

Yes exactly.

Mmh, the E-mu does not have these functions, but there?s one workaround for simulating other samplers "One Shot" mode, i.e. sample plays thru until it?s end no matter how long the midi note lenght is.
Tip from Rob Papen's 33 Tips for EOS samplers btw.:

PRESET EDIT > Amp/Fil > Amp Envelope >

Seg Rate Level Seg Rate Level

Atk1 0 100 Atk2 0 100
Dcy1 0 100 Dcy2 0 100
Rls1 0 100 Rls2 0 100

Cool I got that part.. by specifying the envelope in the amp section but how about if I want to control the decay from my sequencer? Thanks for the help.

I think for that kind of stuff, controlling the decay, your going to have to go into sysex programming.

The envelopes on the emu work kind of funny. I can get short notes if I wanted using a velocity cord, but it never really works the way you think it would. It seemed to me that only attack and release are areas that the filter can be tweaked with. hell, half the time, the decay doesn't even seem to work when I try programming amplitudes in a patch... but then that may just be how strange the envelopes work.

I would try velocity attatched to release or something like that. Go 100 percent both ways until something works then tweak to fit. If this is what your going for that is.

snh

sampleandhold wrote:I think for that kind of stuff, controlling the decay, your going to have to go into sysex programming.

The envelopes on the emu work kind of funny. I can get short notes if I wanted using a velocity cord, but it never really works the way you think it would. It seemed to me that only attack and release are areas that the filter can be tweaked with. hell, half the time, the decay doesn't even seem to work when I try programming amplitudes in a patch... but then that may just be how strange the envelopes work.

I would try velocity attatched to release or something like that. Go 100 percent both ways until something works then tweak to fit. If this is what your going for that is.

snh

I think I might be complicating what the issue is with my poor explanation. All I want to do is control how long the note sounds for, from my external sequencer. Even my analog synths respond to this. I don't think I need to resort to sysex.

Let me phrase it this way; if I were to connect a keyboard controller to the emu, I want the note to stop when I release the key. I don't need any kind of envelope or curve, just a dead stop. I'm pretty sure I figured this out in the past with a cord. Can't seem to remember.

Any other suggestions? Thanks for the help.

Make sure that you are editing ALL the Voices in the Preset, not just one. If you're not sure how to do that, check the EOS manual, any version will do.

Then, go to the Amp Envelope page and set the release parameter to 0 or something close to 0, whatever sounds best. That's how it's normally done.

Hope this helps,

Gilles

gcoudert wrote:Make sure that you are editing ALL the Voices in the Preset, not just one. If you're not sure how to do that, check the EOS manual, any version will do.

Then, go to the Amp Envelope page and set the release parameter to 0 or something close to 0, whatever sounds best. That's how it's normally done.

Hope this helps,

Gilles

To simplify things I'm only using one voice in my preset. If I were to do as your suggesting I would always get the same static ramp I specify in the amp env. section, whereas what I want to do is control how long the note plays for from my sequencer.

For example (haha i keep on creating different examples but it's all really lthe same issue, pls. bear with me )I'm programming a kick drum from Ableton on ch.1. On the first beat I want the kick drum to play for a full note but then on the 9th beat I want to trigger the same kick, but with a short decay (say only playing for a 1/32 note). How to?

I've been trying out different cords and I'm kinda getting close with the gate as the source and AmpVol as the dest. but it's still not quite there. Argghh

I now understand what you mean, and that means controlling the first decay parameter of the Amp Envelope with a cord. Assuming that's possible - and I haven't checked - the desired effect will be difficult to achieve with a bass drum sound as it will be very short anyway, but maybe that was just an example.

You will need to assign a MIDI controller to the cord controlling the decay parameter and automate that in your sequencer. I'll give it a try later.

Gilles

OK, I've done it, using my EOS 3.00B E4K, so I hope your menus will be the same as mine.

1. Set up your single sample preset Amp Envelope with the following settings, which will give you a simple 'sawtooth' envelope.

Atk1 rate: 0
Atk1 level: 0
Atk2 rate: 0
Atk2 level: 100
Dcy1 rate: 127
Dcy1 level: 0
Dcy2 rate: 127
Dcy2 level: 0
Rls1 rate: 0
Rls1 level: 0
Rls2 rate: 0
Rls2 level: 0

2. Go to the Cords menu and set up a new Cord as follows:

ModWheel --(controlling)--> VEnvDcy --> +100%

Make sure the ModWheel no longer controls CO2 Amount or you'll get unwanted vibrato!

3. In your sequencer, create a sequence of notes and add ModWheel data. The higher the number, the shorter the Decay of your sound is. If you go too high, the sound will disappear altogether.

I tried it with a JP8 sync sample and a TR808 kick drum. The effect was more pronounced on the first sound and higher settings quickly reduced the second to a very short click. In both cases, the faster the sound decayed, the quieter it got so you'll have to do something about that, perhaps by setting up another Cord in which the same ModWheel controller increases the preset's volume (AmpVol).

I used ModWheel as an example, but any other controller will do. In that case, assign MIDI A in your Cord instead of ModWheel, and on the Master --> MIDI --> Cntrl2 page, assign whatever controller number you wish to MIDI A and send data on that particular controller number from your sequencer.

Hope this helps,

Gilles

Ah, the power of eos.

gcoudert wrote:OK, I've done it, using my EOS 3.00B E4K, so I hope your menus will be the same as mine.

1. Set up your single sample preset Amp Envelope with the following settings, which will give you a simple 'sawtooth' envelope.

Atk1 rate: 0
Atk1 level: 0
Atk2 rate: 0
Atk2 level: 100
Dcy1 rate: 127
Dcy1 level: 0
Dcy2 rate: 127
Dcy2 level: 0
Rls1 rate: 0
Rls1 level: 0
Rls2 rate: 0
Rls2 level: 0

2. Go to the Cords menu and set up a new Cord as follows:

ModWheel --(controlling)--> VEnvDcy --> +100%

Make sure the ModWheel no longer controls CO2 Amount or you'll get unwanted vibrato!

3. In your sequencer, create a sequence of notes and add ModWheel data. The higher the number, the shorter the Decay of your sound is. If you go too high, the sound will disappear altogether.

I tried it with a JP8 sync sample and a TR808 kick drum. The effect was more pronounced on the first sound and higher settings quickly reduced the second to a very short click. In both cases, the faster the sound decayed, the quieter it got so you'll have to do something about that, perhaps by setting up another Cord in which the same ModWheel controller increases the preset's volume (AmpVol).

I used ModWheel as an example, but any other controller will do. In that case, assign MIDI A in your Cord instead of ModWheel, and on the Master --> MIDI --> Cntrl2 page, assign whatever controller number you wish to MIDI A and send data on that particular controller number from your sequencer.

Hope this helps,

Gilles

Thanks for all the time you're taking with this Gilles but surely it can't be this complicated. This is something everyone does constantly, I mean how else do you program notes of varying length on the external sequencer from the same sample in the emu? On the mpc I used to pick mode "note on/off" and I'm allowed to specify in the sequence how long the note plays for. I should just be able to shorten or lengthen the note in ableton to get this desired effect as I do with any other synth i trigger from ableton. What sequencer do you use? I only want to draw the note in ableton and specify 1/16 note, 1/8 note, 1/4 note, etc. no other data. And I am using an 808 kick drum hence the length of the kick.

I mean how else do you program notes of varying length on the external sequencer from the same sample in the emu?

But surely, you can't make a kick drum sample longer than it is. Shorter, yes, but longer, no, unless of course your kick drum has a hell of a long release stage to begin with. You can do this with continuous and/or looped sounds. I'm confused again!

Gilles