emusonacid! legacy

Hi guys,

I simply need to trigger a sample on note off ...
I searched the forum and came to the following patchcord :

Gate -> SRetrig (+100%)

but this works only if the note off event comes right after the note on : if I let the key pressed more than half a second before releasing it, I do not hear the triggering ...

I of course tried different Amp envelopes but never got rid of this ...

Any idea ?

I finally found why it was not working : if you don't set any release for the Amp Envelope of the sample, you won't hear any triggering. So first, set release values on the envelope, like this :

Atk1 0 0 Atk2 0 0
Dcy1 0 0 Dcy2 0 100
Rls1 80 100 Rls2 80 0

Then go to your patchcord, and set this :

Gate -> AmpVol [-100%]
Gate -> SRetrig [+100%]

The first patchcord is used to mute the sound when you press the key (and unmute when you release), and the second triggers the sample.

There's nothing you can't do with that damn E-MU synthesis, is it ?

Well ... I thougt I had solved it ... unfortunately it seems like this does not work on very short samples .... and I don't understand why ...

Anyone got an idea ?

It appears that the 'Gate' parameter only speaks when there is some signal left. If you hold the key until no sound is heard and then release it, there will be no gate event, so no retriggering. (btw I'm in EOS v4.7)

After a bit of investigation, I think the most simple & bug-less way I found to do this is insert a few samples of silence at the begenning of the sample, then set the sustaining loop to be that silence part you just created (I'm using SoundForge), leaving all signal after the loop.

To set the sampler to play this release part, go to :
Sample Edit / Tools1 / LpType
and set the 'Loop in release' to off, so that when releasing the key, the signal part applies

- sorry for approximate english -

I'm not going to be much help here but....

What you are trying to achieve is possible as I have done it in the past. I can't set my Emu up again till next week but I'll have a fiddle again and I will try and remember how to do it. Keep experimenting as you will definitely find it.

Just out of curiosity, how short are your short notes - are you using a sequencer or are you triggering live?

hey thanks for your comment ... thought I'd be alone in this thread

The sample I'm triggering are very short as it's release samples for a Rhodes sound.

In fact I made a translation of my beloved Scarbee library to the E-MU, keeping 4 samples per octave and 8 velocity layers. The result is completely incredible, far better that on the PC, as I had supposed (no latency, playability better, sounds fatter, RFX32 capapilities, etc.). Now I really feels like there's a Rhodes at home

It was quite a lot of work (300 samples to edit by hand one by one) but surely I don't regret it

If you find the way to trigger very short samples on key release, I'm still interrested !

Bye

I do think I speak for all us when I say that we would love an mp3 of that Rhodes:)

Here it is :

http://aerodrink.free.fr/rhodes/

Sorry for the mistakes but who cares ... almost feels like I have a MK1 at home

At the time I recorded rh1, I had no release samples.
At the end of the rh1 recording I add a Phaser, then Chorus effects from RFX-32.

rh2 & rh3 is the latest rhodes version (with 4 release velocity layers) and I think it's even more realistic. The patch contains exactly 300 samples. I had to open all of them via SoundForge to crop/crossfade loop, that was hell of a work but I think it's woth it

It's beautiful! The release-layer is really improving the sound!

Nice one to start playing that intro to Spain on the rh3-recording. It's a prelude by a Spanish composer is'nt it? I know Chick Corea plays it on of his many recordings of Spain, got to search it up and listen to it again, almost forgot that song existed.

Are you thinking about commercially selling this samples and presets?

Hi Aerodrink,
it "sounds" you had several hours of hard work. Well done! The volume of release samples could be a little bit lower in my ears. BTW, how much RAM the samples use?

Thanks for comments !
I'ts been little more than two weeks of work back at home after work. So yes, a few hours indeed
Now the patch is 400 samples, and has 8 release velocity layers
It uses 52Mb of RAM. I agree with you about the release levels, I lowered them a bit

Unfortunately, selling my bank to multiple users would be illegal (unless I sell my Scarbee licence together with my bank to one single user)