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i am working on a new choon and i have three cymbal tracks going. one that is centered from the break that i am using. one off to the left from a hip hop song, and one to the right that is off of the think break. well i guess that would be a tambirine, i supposes.

there is a really strange thing going on with the pans on those two cymbal tracks. i was listening to it today as i was adding parts and sequencing the choon. i discovered that my hip hop cymbal track is more so in the center then the think track is. but here is the kicker... i have the hip hop track panned about +20 and the think track at -10... so i tried to see what would happen if i switched thier sides. i discoverd that as i moved the hip hop tracks pan it really started to sound like it was in the center around the range of -/+15 or -/+10. it is almost as if there is no movement what so ever when you get to about those values. and the think sounds like it is panned hard at -/+15. also, the hip hop cymbals seem to be "higher" then the think track by about three inches... if you understand what i mean

now is this like something the emu is doing... or is this a phenomenon that is happening from the different cymbals that i have going on. do certain sounds or frequencies have a certian space in the stereo feild? i.e. 500hz is lower then say 800hz in the stereo image.

has any one else experianced this? and can you correct it? and while we are at it... what the hell makes this happen? it is a neat effect.. but i don't want it. any help would be good. this might actually help me, and us, do those really strange panning techniques.. you know where you hear the cymbal crash from across the room behind you even though you are sitting in front of the speakers kind of thing.

i hope you guys know something... if not then i quess i will go to the grid. i was thinking this is an emu phenomenon, or something...

is it a stereo cymbal sample? Perhaps the actualy base sample is not located exactly at center?

could be an uncentered stereo sample.

also (I was having this issue last night) it could be that you've assigned different pan values in different places. Check the pan on the main screen in multi mode - is this what you're using? If so make sure the pan in the individual voices is set to 0. If you're using the pan on the individual voices make sure the pan on the channel is at zero. If you're using any part of the tuning menu it will effect your spacial positioning as well. Hope this helps ...

i use the panning of the individual voices for my pans. i will have to look and see if the sample is still in stereo... i usaully run all my drums in mono. and i will look in those other menus to see if some how i changed settings. mulit mode everything is zero. i will lock into it.

i still don't understand the placement though. maybe i didn't describe it very well.

okay... this is kind of hard... you know when you listen to a song through head phones. you have a sense that the sound is coming from the front of you, directly. right? and if you have a crash or something panned to the right you would hear it to the right.. it would be like you could turn your head to the right and see the guy hitting the crash cymbal okay... well that hip hop cymbal i have is coming from the right, and above, as if you were going to look up to your right to see where the wall and the ceiling of your room meets. does that make sense? why is it doing that?

i will see if i still have it in stereo, i think that might very well be the case. and i will make sure that every thing is zeroed. but the placement is bugging me. if you guys don't know what i man, i will draw a picture of what it sounds like.

but anyway... thanks for the advice, and responses...

yeah man . if you've checked the pans and thier all centered or whatnot and you're not using any of the functions in the tuning section the only other thing that I could think of is a bad wire (a problem I always have) or a bad chanel on your board (which would really be a pain). I seem to remember your saying that you did all the mixing in the EMU in which case I have no idea why - unless the sample is stereo and unballanced.

yeah, it is just so strange, it only does it with that cymbal, and i have listened not only through the out puts on the back but out the front as well, via the head phone jacks. one thought is that for some reason, if that cymbal sounds similar to the one that i have centered... even though it doesn't, that perhaps there is some strange sound phenomenon that causes it to give the illusion that it is floating in the air, like it does...

well i think i will see what the grind has to say, if i can't figure it out. thanks for all your advice... i am going to double double check things again, just to make sure. it is just so strange