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Right now im doing my drums as follows
1 channel each for the kicks snares and hihats (14,15,16 respectivly) going to different channels on the mixer (and to a compressor)
In the presets ill have a whole slew of samples and just pick which ones i want. Now, I also have a breaks preset that is my chopped up breakbeats. The problem is, the breaks preset gets full in a hurry, because each break can be like 14 or so different samples. Add 6 breaks togather and thats a seriously heavy preset!
So ive started seperatign it into 2 presets to clean it up a bit.
How do you guys do yours? im always looking to improve on my current setup thanks!

you can use different groups. or you could just set each break in different presets. if you need some help, give a shout. but i think you should be abl to set up different all you need in to different presets.

okay, lets see if i can do this in a more coherent way. i had a bad day at work...
typically i set all my breaks up in different presets. every sound in different presets, every sample in different presets. so you may be going: will i only have so many channels to use and i have all these presets. what you can do is, when you need to have a different sound come in, you could do a bank change. so lets say you have a pad going and the pad goes out, you would have a bank change to your lead lets say, and then of course you would have to redo your level, but that should be easy as well.
like i said before, if you need help give a shout and i will give ideas, as well as the others here.
hope this helps.

What mode are you talking about? I use multimode exclusively right now and that doesnt seem pratical for my purposes. Interesting idea though yea

This is what i do - slightly different to u guys.

All my drums go into one preset assigned to VOICE. (Always midi channel 1 - heard somewhere the timing is tighest on mc1 cos of the way sequencers trigger midi from top to bottom?? Can someone comfirm?)

Then assign kicks to Group 1
Snares Group 2
HH/Shakers Group 3

Then set submix for each group to the relevent out.

Usually ends up going out the adat summat like this

Kick - Main out Panned +64 left (to a mono Channel)
Snares - Sub 1
HH - Sub 2

Multimode is def the way to go. I usually put kick on chanel1 preset 1, snare on 2, hats on 3, bass on 4, assorted perc on 5, etc. Each preset contains about 4 voices, whether its one "compound" hit or several individual sounds that hit at different times. I pan the kick to sub1 -64 and the sub to sub1 +63 (anything that needs to stand out is better left off of channel 1 as this channel gets mucked with reverb and such). While I could use more outputs (2 stereo 4 mono is just not enough) I never have to use patch changes to change the preset within a sample. Maybe I'm not using as many sounds (It ends up being ~35-50 Midi channels) but it might just have to do with distributing voices in presets

you only have 4 outs?, im soo happy i saved the extra for the 6400ultra and the eight outs. I was thinking of maybe maybe getting 8 more, but thats a real expensive upgrade, and i want the rfx first
Anyways, because i use the 2 effects in the sampler (lack of outboard gear) I always set my drums to sub 3 and sub2 (eg: Hihats sub 2 right, Kicks sub3 left, snares sub3 right) so when i adjust the drums im not adjusting the effects return . The effects return always comes out on the mains to my knowledge, so I do it that way

yeah man, actually I've got the 6400ULT as well. I have 8 (mono) outs - I usially just group them into 2 stereo 4 mono (thats main and sub 4 as stereo and sub 1 and 2 as panned mono). More outputs would be great but then I'd have to buy a new mixing board as well (I've only got a 16 channel Mackie and I'm already have the capacity to run many more channels than that (assuming I started using more audio and played bits straight from the synth - which I wouldn't). But anyweah, I'm rambling ...

I *really* want the TLA VTC mixing board but its a little out of my price range.

Why is it that the effects only work main out? Does the rfx board make use of effects on all of the outs? Explain some more on how everyone sets up their channel.. I am intersted.

i cant say anything about the rfx, i dont know but the emu effects i do like this

Reverbs fx A , delays fx B

ill put anything with lots of effects *like strings or pads* in the main channels, and add the amoubnt via the send %
um, sub 1 is always dry (cause my subbass is channel 4)
subs 2 and 3 usually have a bit of reverb (because there my drum tracks) .
I try to group like things togather as best i can, and if i need more fx ill record it as audio and apply effects in cubase.
Its pretty easy and its the most versitile ive gotten the standard effects to be.
However, if you mute the mains, all the fx are muted. So all the reverb for the other subs comes out through the mains, but the original sounds are played through there respective output
make sense?

okay, now wait a minute.
what is all this panning to the left and right, for your drums and stuff. i must be missing something here.

i send all my signals through the main out puts, and use my soft mixer to do mix downs with that. i don't pan drums, i don't set them to the subs, unless i am using an effect specific for that voice and want to isolate it from the rest of the voices. i get the impression you guys are running everything through a mixer and doing the mix down there, versus internally. is that right? like you send you drums out sub 1 and 2 and maybe your bass out sub 3? is that what's going on? i don't get it.

enlighten me.

thanks guys now i have to look at the back of my sampler and see what outs i have

Basically, you want to pan the elements of a kit the same way as if the kit was nested in front of you. It is essentially treating the soundstage the same way as you treat the frequency range, i.e.-notching and boosting to make room for other sounds. The elements of a mix occupy both a predominant frequency and a 3-D postion. Try panning the kick slightly off to the left and the bass off to the right with the snare panned less than the hats, shakers maybe far right (or with a slow pan on the right/left channel, maybe even in stereo) and use Volume and EQ to push the non-essential elements of the kit either forwards or backwards. A shaker will not usually be as upfront as a snare for instance. Keep most elements of the kit in mono to preserve polyphony and add stereo FX to taste on bouncing to your sequencer....Nads

Sample and Hold,
Im panning the outputs hard to control them with an external mixing board right. That just seperates them into single channels as opposed to stereo outs

Krooz wrote:This is what i do - slightly different to u guys.

All my drums go into one preset assigned to VOICE. (Always midi channel 1 - heard somewhere the timing is tighest on mc1 cos of the way sequencers trigger midi from top to bottom?? Can someone comfirm?)

Then assign kicks to Group 1
Snares Group 2
HH/Shakers Group 3

Then set submix for each group to the relevent out.

Usually ends up going out the adat summat like this

Kick - Main out Panned +64 left (to a mono Channel)
Snares - Sub 1
HH - Sub 2

How do you set submix for each group? I can't even find submix.

Another thing, how do you get a mono channel to come out of both monitors? When i pan a channel hard left on my emu it comes out panned hard left in logic. Shouldn't it be central in the mix or am i really missing something here?

Hi ratty,

If ur using a hardware mixing desk u can set the pan pot for the channel to it centre postion. I dont use logic, but i suspect you can do the same on the mixing desk in logic.

Cheers,
Omen