emusonacid! legacy

FilthyMcNasty wrote:

Silverman2 wrote:I'm afraid software is the way to go!

Quote FilthyMcNasty; "Software is shite"

I've seen all you cabbages with your trendy lap-tops thinking you've got Abbey Road sitting on your knee. My mate's got a powerbook & it's good, but it still sounds like Pete Waterman had the final mix on it.

Software is like the pretty blonde middle class girl; entirely predictable, and very ordinary. Where hardware is like the girl you meet in a squat party; you don't know what to expect but you know it's gonna be filthy.

he he

Seeing as this is a forum for hardware samplers I would have thought that there arnt that many "cabbages with trendy lap-tops" on here. however software is the way the industry is moving like it or not at so that is probably why it was recomended.

mate, I'm still reeling from the post about fingers...



(hhhhmmmm: prissy blondes... you sure you don't want to reconsider?)

It's all tongue-in-cheek, and wasn't intended as a 'religious text'.

Maybe it's good that producers are two-a-penny these days; dance music's so shite that i've been buying old Detroit techno & electro, instead of the watered down 'drum n bass' & 'house' everyone's trying to spoon feed me.

Thanks to people using music to be 'cool' / pay mortgages / live like a rockstar, i've got loads of Metroplex & Transmat vinyl!

big up them ol' school detroit cats!!
...now that is nothing but pure analogue LOVE.

by the way, don't tell people that outboard gear is the shit. i'm on a vintage synth mission of acquisition. and i rather enjjoy the fact that i get my gear cheap since all those fuckers are jocking software now. their loss

Now that's more like it.

There's been some harsh words spoken in this thread (mainly by me). The main point being; when using hardware, you configure your own studio giving you a unique setup, and hopefuly, a unique sound. If everyone used cubase or logic, with the latest plugins / virtual instruments, we'd be in for a pretty bland music scene.

I read a photek interview once, and he kind of said you should only ever sample 'one syllable'. I think this is a good philosophy & forces you to be more 'original' in your music. Never use break loops; cut it down & make your own, Never sample 'basslines' etc. (or any other big chunk of someone's music); if you synth your own you've still got all the control the modulation matrix & controllers provide. It saves you a lot of memory too, most of my banks are 1 or 2Mb; a few drum samples & some tiny sin, saw, square loops.

I've caught lots of software geezers using presets & you ask them how to assign a couple of saw waves etc. & they don't know how to do it. you ask them how to make an envelope control the filter cutoff & they don't know what the fuck you're chatting about. If that's the future, then it looks pretty bleak.

Lots of good music gets produced on PCs, by people who know what the software actually simulates, and not by part timers having a laugh. I love electronic music, ever hear the 'fast food song'? I had suicidal thoughts for months.

palamino chuck wrote:by the way, don't tell people that outboard gear is the shit. i'm on a vintage synth mission of acquisition. and i rather enjjoy the fact that i get my gear cheap since all those fuckers are jocking software now. their loss

This is so true, Im havin a field day on ebay snappin up outboard gear on the cheap, ?100!! for an e64 with 64meg ram and eos4 was the latest (which is what lead me here!!). I think the benifit of having all of your suff outboard is not only the quality of sound, but the fact that you have to think about what you are doing.

Well, software/hardware... at least you're simply getting on with the music and not, like, going ON & ON about it all the time I guess, Filthy..

....speaking of photek....

just read an article in which he stated he has officially dusted off his trusty e-mu samplers and has gone back to them good ol' birds. apparently his sound had changed by going software and he noticed the difference.


DEM SOFT-YUUTE CYAAN FLEX WITH I HARDWARE BREDDREN.
BUUUUAH BUAH!!

lol what a twisted thread, I seem to be miss quoted at least twice. The original topic was to do with mix mastering, not software vs hardware synths samplers.

:P

Sure is twisted, Silverman.

Palamino, the Photek mention is interesting, especially as his production has been blinding in the last few years. I think Dom & Roland have gone 'back' to the sampler too.

(I'm a long-term d&b head)

To me it's horses for courses. I don't know what Calibre uses but is generally regarded as the best producer in d&b... he used to work on a tiny desk, mix on to MD and the only impression I ever got was 'this is great!'. I know he has a bigger desk now, that's all. Gear aside: the music's always been unbelievable.

Back to software, I can appreciate it this way: someone like Drumsound & Bassline Smith got some new gear-which I assume is the heart of a software based environment-and immediately made one of the best tracks of last year, 'The Odyssey'. Literally the first thing they did on it. I also heard Dillinja say something like 'what you put in is what you get out', inferring that if it's stays in the digital domain it doesn't degrade. I think he uses similar gear.

So if I had loads of cash for a G5 and some top-notch version of Logic for example I'd love to investigate it, as I hate how I hear it sounding great off the E-Mu but losing something when mastered.

But I'd still keep the old system. Use 'em both.

I also admire Calibre's work!

Not kept up with the new stuff but his former material sounded like he
used a lot of samples off tape or was bouncing to get tape saturation.

Regarding soft vs hardware synths, I too like to use both, helps take the strain of both systems and avoids
the trap of upgrading computers every year .

Only recently started resampling soft synths like the Emagic rhodes piano, loads of fun with multisampling and you have more control over the velocity
dynamics by fine tweaking the switching layers.

Just ordered 128 meg of ram and gonna multisample and get rid of soft synths that i only use 1 sound from.

The only real advantage of soft synths is cheapness and the fact that everything is stored in ur logic songs, saving u the hassle of resetting hardware for every track.

cheers

Sman

Amen to that. I suppose I just love the physicality of the E-Mu really. Apart from not like the 'laptop' aesthetic (that is if the laptop is asserted really) I think there will be a general swing away from them. You have to ask about personal thresholds really-I mean if you were to buy into the corporate logic of all the software companies then we all obviously aspire to have something like Peter Gabriel's studio in a portable form!

I don't! I don't want my sound to be too lo fi either but y'know... just get the feeling that we're all supposed to be more and more hi tech... think your typical Nike/Pepsi advert music or something.

This is a hard point to put across but essentially it's all about $$$ and competitiveness at the end of the day with impressionable people reading the mags thinking 'I must have this plug-in/module' whatever with very few sources explaining practical uses... and not to mention the fact that the software you tried 5 years ago is still really valid/doesn't crash your computer etc. (It doesn't empower you either and empowering/encouragement is one key to good music.)

I mean could you imagine John Bonham upgrading his kit for a new shiny hi-tech one? ha ha!

BUT if it's essential to your style, sure! See Drumsound/Dillinja point in previous post...

(Calibre: always check Fabio, Flight & bailey via respective archives on Radio 1 and 1xtra for new stuff as there's always loads. Bailey is sensational for cutting-edge d&b too, particularly the 'edits' stuff he loves)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/drumbass/

I think it was too much listening to Fabio and Grooveriders show that turned
me off Dnb :) too much talking over tracks and football chit chat, it just
got on my nerves hehe.

Just cleaned out my redundant soft synths from my pc and it is going like a
dream, launches so much faster and started to feel more like a slick sequencer again.

If ur up for a Reg Clean out(pc) I found the following free/share apps V usefull:

RegScrubXP
RegCleaner
Registry Toolkit


I used them in that order and the machine feels brand new, fast without
a tiresome reinstall.( which is just as well as Ive forgotten most of the good tweaks)

:)

ps. I didn't encounter ne problems but make sure u create a restore point
and don't delete anything ur not sure about.

he he...... Among other places, I used to see L Double play in the blue ice club in South Sheilds & he used to play pure dubplate all fucking night! every tune he played was on a Music House 10"

He got the Radio 1 gig too. Good on the lad though, he's been rocking it out for a long time!

The blue ice club had lots of mirrors on the walls, they used to rattle like f**k with the low frequencies, best reverb i ever heard!

Apparently Ant Miles and Andy C no longer use their E-MU but have it sitting in the rack with the HD full of the ideas they have had over the last X number of years. Wonder what they use now?

I just get sick of corrupt banks in my machine and a very time-consuming workflow...

Reckon Reaktor is pretty good too as far as soft synths go.