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Anyone able to send me the waveforms from emu production disc containing "sounddesigner's toolbox" bank.
I understand this bank contains single cycle waveforms and I am interested in creating pwm from a sqare wave, as mentioned by some members on this forum.
Please PM me if you are can email this to me.
I will send you some interesting stuff in return if you are able to help.

Regarding the E-MU Systems Sound Library Disc 1-17:
There's no bank named "Sounddesigner's Toolbox" or similar.

To give you this information I grabbed out a poster with pictures of all CD-Rom on the front side and a list of each bank on the back side.
In addition to this I searched my library for "toolbox", "sound" & "design" and found nothing that goes into direction of "sounddesigner's toolbox".
From these 17 discs I have all, except ...
- No. 10 Elements of Sound: a collection of 1MB banks from CDs 1-8
- No. 11 Elements of Sound: a collection of 2MB banks from CDs 1-8
- No. 14 General MIDI Collection (this title says everything...)

There's also no such bank on the E4 Ultra Sound Library CD-Rom that came with the sampler.

thanks for your effort I really appreciate It.

The reason I thought the bank might exist was because in a post I found dating way back, some members were talking along these lines.....
Taking a singe cycle loop of a sqare wave
Adding another half cycle to the end of sample (this portion of the sample would be the negative cycle of the square)
Set a loop at one cycle.
Then modulate the start point of the loop with s-loop cord controlled by C/C or LFO to alter the width of the square (PWM)

The member mentioned some pre-made examples in the toolbox bank.
The poster must have been mistaken.

If you search this site with the word "toolbox" you can read the thread.
I find it an interesting subject and wonder if anyone has had any joy with worthwhile results.

The bank exist on the E-mu E4k "Factory Sound Set Back up Data"!

And it´s called "SD´s Tool Box"

Chris

Aight, I also have this. It's targeted at the Keyboard as it makes intense use of the E4k sliders to build new sounds, actually made for resampling these, as they use many voices. Only tried this once like 13 years ago or so, going from memory I seem to remember that this was also hard on the CPU (please note I have the standard E4k), making some sounds appear only after a moment of silence, I needed to try this again to be 100 % sure. Ultras with their updated processor surely handle this better. Using this with the rack-models you need to have a midi fader-controller attached with matched controller-numbers. Worth it ?
No IMHO. Sidementioning I find the whole CD-R awful, worst E-mu put out ever, never judge E4k after this crap. Some facts about SD's toolbox (about waveforms and like what fader does what in this and that preset) is I guess only mentioned in the "Getting around on the E4k" paper hardcopy (I have german language version of this only).

Rascal Revenge this is interesting stuff.
I have been using the ultra as a synth to great effect for a while. I started with the E4K I was using the sliders as C/Controllers and have moved up to the E4 platinum. I now use a Trigger finger controller and have created cords to enable the knobs to work as adsr on the envelopes of the amp and filter. I have also set up a knob for filter cutoff one for resonance one for sample start one for chorus amount/lfo speed one for sub osc and one for white noise . I find by using samples as oscillators I can create some massive synths by stacking oscillators and detuning them.
The two things that the machine can't create are cross modulation (but i have a cool workaround to do this) and Pulse width modulation.
I would love to do the singe cycle trick to make pwm. PWM adds some real movement to a square when I use it with my anologue synths and modulate it with the LFO, so If anyone is able to send me the disc or even send me an ISO over the net (sendthisfile.com) that would be great. If you have an ultra with EOS 4.7 you could always dump the bank to a zip, then import the disc into your computer and email me the file.
I will send some mad sounds/banks to anyone who can help.

"Cool" that this forum logs you off when you're writing a reply for longer time, hit submit bang back to the LogIn. Dunno if I start again now, took some time to write, damn EDIT: Yes, there's a Save button, ha... next time ;-)

@Rascal Revenge:
Try to use the BACK-button next time. Then you get the opportunity to mark & copy your text.
After the nerving re-login you are able to paste text in the reply frame.

Surely it's not that hard to do the PWM yourself? I'd say do this:
* Play a square wave on your synth, 1 octave below the intended one. This way you have enough up/down cycle, also analogue = good ;
* Sample this;
* Calculate the length of one cycle for your intended root note and create a loop for this;
* Cut the sample up to the point the loop will have almost only up cycle, but no down cycle. Down trim the end, you need this for the PWM.
The loop should look/sound like this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~_
* Now connect a cord to the Sloop destination. If you increase its rate, it should do this:
~~~__________
* An LFO as cord source will variate the PWM.

If I weren't busy with my guitar stuff, I would do this myself, but the Emu lies in the rack.

@mosrob:

Thx, that's what I did actually - know this working from other forum(s) - but field was blank, text was gone.
So I give it another go later this evening.

Try the attached file.
You have to change the extension from .ZIP to .E4B as the forum does not allow files with the extension ".E4B".

It contains one sample with a A1-tuning (55hz), created at 28.160hz, and a single-cycle loop.
The loop-length is exactly 512 samples. A second cycle of the square waveform is rotated on the time axis and attached to the end of the first complete cylce.

There are three presets which contain 2 Voices. Voice 1 is always static while Voice 2 contains modulation to SLOOP and SStart.
Actually Cord 15 has an amount of 51%. You can change it to e.g. 100% an listen how it sounds.
MIDI-A, MIDI-B & MIDI-C are used for realtime control changes.

Preset 1:
MIDI-A has impact on SLOOP while the samples of V1 & V2 start in the same phase.
MIDI-B changes the rate of LFO2.

Preset 2:
MIDI-A has impact on SLOOP.
MIDI-B changes the rate of LFO2.
MIDI-C changes SSTART which results in a phase variation of V2 in regards to V1.

In Preset 3 you have two static voices and you are able to change the SLOOP of V2 by MIDI-A. It's like choosing the shape of V2's PULSE.

There are a lot of options for creating sounds with this examples.
- Set the panning of V1 to the left and of V2 to the right.
- Use AmpENV, FilterENV & Filter-Settings for further processing, etc.

Remark:
I recognized a low frequency below 30hz while testing. So, when using these sounds in a mix I recommend to use a low-cut filter to eleminate undesired grumble.

After some Glühwein (mullen wine) back to what you wrote Jahfunk, yes their synth-capabilities are quite underestimated.
So I checked this out once again after these years and yeah this is really for resampling (keep that in mind), preset 01 I hit 2 ! keys on on the E4k, and gone were my 64 voices !! I remembered well, on named preset there's a few millisecond delay before sound appears, too much for CPU. Checked on Ultra, does not happen there. Must admit I came up with a great "haunting sound", now I'm sad I didn't resample.

To the good news: I have SD's Tool Box for you now, it's not even 1 MB large.

For this I used the Roland S Disk utility that comes with the EOS 3.0b on this site here for the first time, wow amazing and straight forward. This makes (raw) images of all types of diskettes, just displays all non-Roland as "unknown" (see the .DOC), but working. Cool to see this still working, I did with Win XP 32 SP3. So I put this all in a .zip (SDISK.EXE, SDISK.DOC, SDISK.OUT), where .OUT IS THE (RAW) IMAGE of the E-mu floppy. So extract my .zip to a folder, run SDISK.EXE (with a floppy in PC-drive where you want to have the toolbox on), this opens a lil' "DOS"-like window, hit W for Write and it'll extract the .OUT file (E-mu image) back to floppy.

Tested this and a second saved floppy both in E4k and one Ultra, everything there and playing. Please note I formatted/saved Toolbox-to floppy on E4k in E-mu format, but I tested extracting .OUT-image to DOS-formatted floppy, even this worked. This particular bank takes time too load, maybe due to lots of Preset Edit data in there, very slow on the E4k, slow on Ultra. I forgot how this lags with EOS 3.0b compared to Ultra with 4.70. Actually the keyboard is no more used btw, I just keep it as I bought this brandnew for silly money back then and won't sell for such low prizes, I may keep it as my play-in keyboard, guess I had to pay top money to buy a masterkeyboard matching E4k quality-keys.

The corresponding A-D faders on E4k (most important/essential for toolbox) have if I remember correctly the MIDI controller numbers 21-24, you may figure out what they do in presets, however - if you don't mind - I make another reply translating the important parts back to english from my german "Getting Started..." E4k manual to give further description,this within "next days".

@Jahfunk: Not demanded, but you're willing to share a mad bank of yours with me/us you're welcome. You could use the SDISK like I did. I think the advantage of floppies with E-mu format is that one could share banks that require several floppies - opposed to DOS were you're stuck with 1 floppy and 1 sound per/as bank. One just has to put each .OUT file in a separate folder when doing multifloppy-images, as I noted the one .OUT overwrites itself everytime with the very latest, therefore. Just mentioning ,hehe not so cool in 2010, eh ?

Please note: Did my very best to do this and testing, it's working here in 2 machines as mentioned, however I want you to understand I take no responsibility, at your own risk. Oh, and when dealing with toolbox, stacked waveforms and stuff, you may watch your volume in general, when moving faders, i.e. dealing with the CC-numbers. Merry christmas then.

Thank you all for the info and banks.
You can find some of my midi clock banks to download in the lab section.
I think we should all share more of our stuff.
Any ideas what the max file size this forum allows?

just wondering if anyone has the SD toolbox in e4b format to upload? unfortunately I don't have a floppy drive so I can't use the Roland Disk utility to burn that image!
thanks :D

Yeh!
I would like a copy of this too.
Same thing with the floppy issue.