E4XT Ultra: Strange pitch and FEnv problems (+demo mp3s)

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E4XT Ultra: Strange pitch and FEnv problems (+demo mp3s)

Postby DokZ » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:50 am

Hi there,

i've got a really strange problem and didn't find a solution although I've searched quite a few forums and other net-resources. Hope you can help...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/dokz/audio/bassline.mp3 (127kb)
in this case, the sampler seems to modulate the decay of the filter envelope, but there are no such chords (e.g. lfo -> fenv)

http://mitglied.lycos.de/dokz/audio/hihat.mp3 (249kb)
here, the emu seems to modulate the pitch - but no chords, all "off"!!!

the global setting:
- the sequence comes from logic through an unitor8 interface
- all midi-in is disconnected in the environment (so no midi-messages confuse the E4XT)
- i've tried it with EOS 4.61 and 4.7 (no difference) and the sound is the only one the sampler plays (so no overload possible)
- sometimes i also experience changing note length
- the problem occurs in my studio and on an independent test PC with different midi-hardware

any ideas or people with similar problems?!?

TIA,
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Postby ezman » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:37 pm

MP3's don't work - very curious, haven't heard of this type of problem before :???:
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Postby DokZ » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:39 pm

Try saving the mp3s to disk with mouse right-click and play them from there (they are very small in size).

cheers,
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Postby DokZ » Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:16 am

Info update: I did a RAM-Test and the memory seems o.k., but there was an error reported when checking the wordclock (something like "wordclock in or out bad"). NE1 thinks this could be related to the above mentioned problem?

Don't wanna give it to repair, because they will charge me lots and it's likely they can't tell the cause either... :???:

Thanx 4 your time,

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Postby Dane » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:22 pm

Is your sampler hooked up digitally to a mixer / audiocard ?

If this is the case there could be a reason for the wordclock issues.

Check the settings in the Master menu.

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Postby DokZ » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:34 pm

No,
during the test, the sampler wasn't connected in any way.
Does it have to be connected? Maybe with an in-out loop?!?

When connected to my 02r, I couldn't get them linked with wordclock, no matter how (mixer/sampler as master/slave in any combination). it works for a few seconds, then the 02r says "i/o error".
The only way it works is using the EMUs ADAT out as clock reference for the mixing console.

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Re: E4XT Ultra: Strange pitch and FEnv problems (+demo mp3s)

Postby illinformed » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:57 pm

DokZ wrote: - the problem occurs in my studio and on an independent test PC with different midi-hardware


Are you using the same midi or logic file?

To be honest it could be 1 of many different things - any chance of posting the bank or preset (minus the samples) anywhere or maybe the midi/logic file?
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Postby DokZ » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:10 pm

It happens all the time. I'm pretty shure it's not the preset (happens with ev'ry preset i tested).

MIDI: Just one track (16th or 8th notes) drawed with the mouse. No controllers, no MIDI-in - just plain sampler freak-out!

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Postby alectroid » Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:53 pm

I think I had the same problem when I began to sequence with the rm1x on the emuIV. He always pitched the sounds with a certain amount.
I went to master - midi & I think preferences .
You can put the pitchcontrol to another ctrl & then it should be ok.
Or you can also go to the preset cords. Their you should find a cord on 004 that makes the difference.
altough it's possible that I managed to fix the problem with the midifilter of the Rm1x.
I'm not that sure anymore so I'll check it out tonight & I'll post it tomorrow.
I'll see what I can do for the filter decay problem but that is really strange.
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Postby alectroid » Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:29 pm

I' ve listened to your mp3's now and I don't think it's the same problem as the one I had.
I would still try out a good midifilter, for example midi-ox.
It can't be the cords either if they are all turned off.
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Postby alectroid » Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:40 am

I checked some things & I think the best thing to do is to recheck if cord 01 & 03 are off. Cause cord 3 makes the pitch change by the modwheel.
modwhl>co2amt 13% & Pitwl> pitch 6%
You Also should go to master>midi>controllers 1
then you can put the modwl & the pitchwl to another cc witch should stop the pitching of your hihats.
I don't now what caused the first problem with the filterdecay & I didn't noticed it in the mp3
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Postby DokZ » Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:10 am

Thanks a lot for your replys! :thumbs:

As fas as I understand you all think the sampler receives some kind of controller (maybe thru the cords-page). I know about the mod-matrix and how it works and I already spend some time researching there with no luck :cry:

But I did find out that "Wordclock In and Out is GOOD !" on my machine when you connect a cable from in to out while performing the test (did you know about the diagnostic menu in the EOS? You can Test RAM, HDD, Floppy, etc. -> go "Master" - "Utils" - "Tests" - Password is 1358)

I keep trying to find a solution to my original pitch-problem and will post it here if I'll ever find one :grumble: .

Cheers,
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Postby drayon » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:29 am

DokZ wrote:Thanks a lot for your replys! :thumbs:

But I did find out that "Wordclock In and Out is GOOD !" on my machine when you connect a cable from in to out while performing the test (did you know about the diagnostic menu in the EOS?

Cheers,
DokZ


That's correct. The tests will fail if there is no physical connection. This occurs with the MIDI test as well.
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