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5c4r7 wrote:Also, is it just me or has Zuonics made claims about bringing this ZoEOS out for OS X for well over a year now?

Precisely my gripe.

5c4r7 wrote:
I'd be interested in ZoeOS but really, the price is a lil steep (especially since you will be soon able to buy the new Emulator X2 for about the same price)

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2923

(yes, yes, I realize the E X2 is a software sampler and not hardware).

Fuck software sampling.

5c4r7 wrote:
I'd be interested in ZoeOS but really, the price is a lil steep (especially since you will be soon able to buy the new Emulator X2 for about the same price)

That's whats concerns me. People don't want to pay money for software anymore. In such a climate only big companies with cash flow survive.

info wrote:

5c4r7 wrote:
I'd be interested in ZoeOS but really, the price is a lil steep (especially since you will be soon able to buy the new Emulator X2 for about the same price)

That's whats concerns me. People don't want to pay money for software anymore. In such a climate only big companies with cash flow survive.

So as a result you're not going to follow through on your commitment to finish ZoeOS 1.5? You've been selling ZoeOS for over a year under the pretense of its planned release. Take responsibility for your actions mate!

I would just like to point out that your average user is more likely to buy a product after it has been released. You expect an influx of sales simply because you "plan" to release a product? Why not release the product, then see how it stands up? As for paying, I already have.

Your assertion that people don't want to pay for software is wrong. People don't want to pay an arm and a leg for software. As a result, we're starting to see fairly priced products like Tracktion and DSP Quattro. Both of which I have paid for.

So as a result you're not going to follow through on your commitment to finish ZoeOS 1.5?

Eh, I never said that. That's your interpretation.

I would just like to point out that your average user is more likely to buy a product after it has been finished.
You expect an influx of sales simply because you "plan" to release a product?

No. Testing the market is important though.

Why not release the product, then see how it stands up? As for paying, I already have.

You can get your money back anytime you want it. There are heavy R&D costs for OS X. Know any investors?

info wrote:There are heavy R&D costs for OS X. Know any investors?

Yeah, your paying customers.

art wrote:

info wrote:There are heavy R&D costs for OS X. Know any investors?

Yeah, your paying customers.

OK, how many customers do you think Zuonics has?

info wrote:

art wrote:

info wrote:There are heavy R&D costs for OS X. Know any investors?

Yeah, your paying customers.

OK, how many customers do you think Zuonics has?

Whether it's 1 or 100. You advertised the future release of a product, took money for it; please finish it.

Why don't you guys give the guy at Zuonics a break. Man he's one guy doing a big job. I know you've paid your money up front, but you also got a better deal for doing it. If your afraid the guys going to do a runner, request a refund, but stop taking chunks out of the guy for running late. I'm as disappointed as everyone else. I'm waiting on the linux version.

Pushing these bad negative vibes never benefitted anything. Ever. Why don't we give the guy a bit of support?

I'll start.

Paul
I have some java code that facilitates the editing of waveforms. I also have half of the SDS interface completed. I can download a waveform from my E4 but I havent coded the upload yet. I would be happy to donate this code and assign the copyright to you if this is helpful.

Kind Regards
James

om wrote:Why don't you guys give the guy at Zuonics a break. Man he's one guy doing a big job. I know you've paid your money up front, but you also got a better deal for doing it. If your afraid the guys going to do a runner, request a refund, but stop taking chunks out of the guy for running late. I'm as disappointed as everyone else. I'm waiting on the linux version.

Pushing these bad negative vibes never benefitted anything. Ever. Why don't we give the guy a bit of support?

I'll start.

Paul
I have some java code that facilitates the editing of waveforms. I also have half of the SDS interface completed. I can download a waveform from my E4 but I havent coded the upload yet. I would be happy to donate this code and assign the copyright to you if this is helpful.

Kind Regards
James

With all due respect, Zuonics never gave an official release date, or took money for a Linux version.

art wrote:

om wrote:Why don't you guys give the guy at Zuonics a break. Man he's one guy doing a big job. I know you've paid your money up front, but you also got a better deal for doing it. If your afraid the guys going to do a runner, request a refund, but stop taking chunks out of the guy for running late. I'm as disappointed as everyone else. I'm waiting on the linux version.

Pushing these bad negative vibes never benefitted anything. Ever. Why don't we give the guy a bit of support?

I'll start.

Paul
I have some java code that facilitates the editing of waveforms. I also have half of the SDS interface completed. I can download a waveform from my E4 but I havent coded the upload yet. I would be happy to donate this code and assign the copyright to you if this is helpful.

Kind Regards
James

With all due respect, Zuonics never gave an official release date, or took money for a Linux version.

I have been told that it would happen after the OSX version. I own the windows version, but I have gone insane and vowed never to use a Microsoft product again, which is why I am more anxious than all of you for the OSX version to be finished.
I feel like I understand your frustration. I guess what I'm saying is that from my perspective its not constructive taking it out on Paul.

My 2 cents

James

Thanks for your offer of assitance with the code you have written. It's tempting, but as Zuonics is a company, it would be too much trouble from a legal standpoint taking code from you. Some of what you have offered has already been implemented here already. Thanks for your support here in the forum.

So just out of curiosity... what kind of timeline for ZoeOS 1.5 are we looking at here? A month, three months? Q3? Q4? A ballpark figure would be nice.

altus wrote:So just out of curiosity... what kind of timeline for ZoeOS 1.5 are we looking at here? A month, three months? Q3? Q4? A ballpark figure would be nice.

Indeed.

I agree art, I'm not a fan of software synths and samplers either but, that was never my point. I just meant that there is an entire virtual version of the EOS samplers for about the same price as ZoeOS.

I'm not trying to come down on Zuonics cuz, I commend them for what they are doing as it is a great idea but realistically, I cannot see myself paying that much money for something that costs that much and is taking so long to come out. If they are having this many issues getting the OS X version released, then what is the final product going to be like? What kind of support will there be? I wouldn't want to pay for software until I genuinely felt like it was solid.

Just a suggestion but, maybe Zuonics should offer to allow their customers who have already paid for the software (Windows or OS X) to beta test the OS X version (assuming there is actually an OS X beta version ready of course).

I also think that there has to be some kind of legal document Zuonics can have their users submit, should they want to voluntarilly offer program code for free. Not even considering taking advantage of opportunities like that seems pretty foolish IMO.

5c4r7 wrote:I agree art, I'm not a fan of software synths and samplers either but, that was never my point. I just meant that there is an entire virtual version of the EOS samplers for about the same price as ZoeOS.

...I cannot see myself paying that much money for something that costs that much and is taking so long...

Myself, and most EOS hardware sampler users on OS X, are willing to pay for it.

FYI: None of EMU Systems' software will run on a Mac. And it's probably for the best 'cause it's shite.